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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 7, 2012 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Then why did it work reasonably well until 1930?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 7, 2012 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Presume you're referring to the educational system. (Define reasonably well ;) )

Well, I'm not a history/anthropology/sociologist, but here's a stab with rough facts. In 1930, US population was 122 million souls, with roughly 30 million west of the Mississippi - the rest occupying what we now call "the South", Midwest and Northeast. Roughly 70 million living in urban areas (their definition - towns over 2,500) , rural population 50 million. Again, in rough terms, almost half the pop. engaged in agrarian economy and subsistence. Race/ethnicity: white - almost 89%, other 11%. Up to this point there were very few workers' unions, and labor was cheap. The previous two decades saw a tremendous surge in economic productivity, electrification and mass production, but consumers did not have enough income. Huge income disparity. Great Depression. Massive unemployment. Dust Bowl.

Rough seat of the pants evaluation: a more homogenous population, largely uneducated, largely concentrated east of the Mississippi, engaged primarily in heavy labor or farming. Did it work better? or would you blame it all on Roosevelt and the New Deal?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 7, 2012 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

People were certainly made of much sterner stuff and more ably suited to handle the conditions they were in. You drop today's population into 1930's conditions and they would die within a month. As you noted, 50% of the population were farmers or worked in farm/ag related jobs. In 1930 the population was 70% prducer/305 consumer. Today it's 20% producer/80% consumer.

The New Deal brought a lot of good things, but it came with a price that we are now getting called on to pay. For all of the good things that resulted - ND ushered in a new era of unprecedented Big Gov and started us down the road of dependency on Big Gov.

My father in law was a child of the Depression and his stories are mind numbing. Most people today would fail under those conditions - and my fear is those conditions are gatehring steam and bearing down on us again.